willwin
07-28 10:23 AM
How did I miss this thread for 2 days!!!
Delax and other EB2 wonderkids here:
Law is for people and not the otherway around. Law is not like edging on stone (even then the stone can be replaced with a new edging on it) it is like writing on a paper with a pencil that can be erased, altered, rewritten - if required.
Personal sufferings take priority over skills. Be it on political grounds or humantarian grounds. Else, illegal immigration would not have taken the center stage and pushed you smart kids to the floor.
There is no rule that says ALL spill overs would be given to higher category before flowing down to lower category. If that was the case, last 2007, not all categories would have become current - as if there were less than 60K applications pending from EB2 as of June 15th, they wanted to give some to EB3 as well. Nope. Law allowed them to distribute the spill over to ANY category they wish.
It is not insane to issue spill over to EB3 PDs under 2002 and EB2 PDs say 2004 or 2005. But it is insane to issue GC to EB2 PD 2006 (may be 2007 in september if enough VISAs are still pending by 15th of August) and ask EB3 2001 to wait until October. EB2 can have preference but that does not mean they take EVERYTHING.
And one more thing. It is not easy for everyone in EB3 to change over to EB2 even if they are legally eligible. I can give hundred reasons. Few simple reasons, people may not want to leave their current job as it may be an excellent job/organization/career. May not want to leave their current place due to family reasons. Simple, they do not want to go through another GC process after having waited for 7-5 years! Well these are 'human' reasons which you may not understand as (of late) you believe only in law - which in your opinion - what was that - an absolute entity!
There is no law without people.
Delax and other EB2 wonderkids here:
Law is for people and not the otherway around. Law is not like edging on stone (even then the stone can be replaced with a new edging on it) it is like writing on a paper with a pencil that can be erased, altered, rewritten - if required.
Personal sufferings take priority over skills. Be it on political grounds or humantarian grounds. Else, illegal immigration would not have taken the center stage and pushed you smart kids to the floor.
There is no rule that says ALL spill overs would be given to higher category before flowing down to lower category. If that was the case, last 2007, not all categories would have become current - as if there were less than 60K applications pending from EB2 as of June 15th, they wanted to give some to EB3 as well. Nope. Law allowed them to distribute the spill over to ANY category they wish.
It is not insane to issue spill over to EB3 PDs under 2002 and EB2 PDs say 2004 or 2005. But it is insane to issue GC to EB2 PD 2006 (may be 2007 in september if enough VISAs are still pending by 15th of August) and ask EB3 2001 to wait until October. EB2 can have preference but that does not mean they take EVERYTHING.
And one more thing. It is not easy for everyone in EB3 to change over to EB2 even if they are legally eligible. I can give hundred reasons. Few simple reasons, people may not want to leave their current job as it may be an excellent job/organization/career. May not want to leave their current place due to family reasons. Simple, they do not want to go through another GC process after having waited for 7-5 years! Well these are 'human' reasons which you may not understand as (of late) you believe only in law - which in your opinion - what was that - an absolute entity!
There is no law without people.
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Desertfox
11-17 11:08 PM
Done
thomachan72
05-23 08:25 AM
You seem to be acting more in your interest than larger good of the members of this community. You have been quietly browsing all this time and suddenly became a member and starting whining and complaining of what IV is doing. You don't need to get hyperactive and start freaking out. Relax and do what IV is requesting you to do at this time. There are a lot of items & issues IV is working on and they have prioritized some of them as very important which affects the larger members of this group. These important ones are what they are concentrating for now. If you do not like what IV is doing, you are more then welcome to move on and do what pleases you. But please stop discouraging & instigating other members with your stupid comments.
I apologize if the post sounded discouraging / instigating to members. I do completely support IV team, particularly because it is a collective decision made by a dedicated group which certainly would be much more wise than what I think with my limited awareness on this whole issue. Yes indeed as somebody pointed out--if the backlog is removed completely there would not be a need for H1b 3 year renewal.
I apologize if the post sounded discouraging / instigating to members. I do completely support IV team, particularly because it is a collective decision made by a dedicated group which certainly would be much more wise than what I think with my limited awareness on this whole issue. Yes indeed as somebody pointed out--if the backlog is removed completely there would not be a need for H1b 3 year renewal.
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fightnow
07-06 07:52 PM
I mentioned to the police that most participants are from China and India. This is true. Both are the main victims of backlog and what so ever.
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StarSun
02-08 09:17 AM
Thank you KiranKashi, rsamudrala, sundaarpn, tonyhk12
Total Contributions: $1300
Contributions needed: $48,700
Total Contributions: $1300
Contributions needed: $48,700
immig4me
02-28 09:08 AM
Good to see members coming forward with donations!
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logiclife
03-08 10:46 AM
Yes, and a lot of people know that there are highly skilled people who are depressed and that takes a toll on employee productivity.
After all, if 90% of your time is spent on thinking about BECs and visa bulletins, imagine if that time was spent on doing the job they've hired you for.
Some employers(like Microsoft) realize this and want to do something about it. Its not just about keeping the best and brightest here in USA. Its also about keeping the morale and productivity up.
As to how to deal with this...try this.
Call your local congressman's office(Find out info about that from House.gov, with your zipcode). Get an appointment with congressman. There is an Easter recess coming up when they would be back from DC.
Then talk to him about all issues you have. Take all the material you need from the "Volunteer" menu item of this website.
Doing something about the problem is the best therapy there is. I am not saying this because I want to coax you into meeting your congressman. No. That's not the objective. But I think action is the best remedy for this problem. And there is actionable stuff to do about this. If you are suffering from terminal cancer, then you really cant do anything about that. This is not such a problem. This is a problem for which the solution is out there.
Somehow, after landing in this country, people lose the appetite for risk and adventure. Before they are in here, they would move mountains to score an H1 or an F1. After coming here, they hunker down, heads-under-the-desk kind of approach. What I am talking about is nearly 200 people right now, who have read this post, but havent logged in. They wouldnt log in. They wouldnt give their real email address if they sign up. They would never contribute. WHY? Because they are afraid. That they will be deported. For no reason. Everything we do is legal, including raising funds and spending it on lobbying. But they are afraid. They are also afraid that by talking to congressmen, they will make them mad and the congressman will pick up the phone, call USCIS and then get their 140 cancelled. Yes. People create their own fastasies and become afraid of them..
Yesterday, nearly 2000 Irish illegals went to capitol hill and talked to various lawmakers to lobby for CIR and legalization. They were illegals. Yet, the somehow managed to walk into the building where laws of this country are made, talk to people who make the laws that they have broken, go thru Capitol Hill security check, and look into the eye of the lawmaker and talk to them.
However, our community, this is how they behave. Forget about talking to congressman, or contributing money. When they call the core group with a question, they block the caller id can call. Dont disclose their name too. Ask a questions and then quickely hang up. Some of them want to contribute with cash because they are not willing to believe us that we are doing everything legal here and its their right to lobbying and petition the Government for problems.
After paying taxes, after following all immigration laws, after getting all the education in the world to become "Highly skilled", the highly skilled cant bring themselves to stand-up with a straight spine, thump their desk and talk to their lawmaker.
So at the end of the day, if we are depressed that legals dont get attention, then you know where to look for blame : the highly skilled who are highly educated and too afraid because their education and skills make them think too much and analyze too much, and they are afraid all the time.
After all, if 90% of your time is spent on thinking about BECs and visa bulletins, imagine if that time was spent on doing the job they've hired you for.
Some employers(like Microsoft) realize this and want to do something about it. Its not just about keeping the best and brightest here in USA. Its also about keeping the morale and productivity up.
As to how to deal with this...try this.
Call your local congressman's office(Find out info about that from House.gov, with your zipcode). Get an appointment with congressman. There is an Easter recess coming up when they would be back from DC.
Then talk to him about all issues you have. Take all the material you need from the "Volunteer" menu item of this website.
Doing something about the problem is the best therapy there is. I am not saying this because I want to coax you into meeting your congressman. No. That's not the objective. But I think action is the best remedy for this problem. And there is actionable stuff to do about this. If you are suffering from terminal cancer, then you really cant do anything about that. This is not such a problem. This is a problem for which the solution is out there.
Somehow, after landing in this country, people lose the appetite for risk and adventure. Before they are in here, they would move mountains to score an H1 or an F1. After coming here, they hunker down, heads-under-the-desk kind of approach. What I am talking about is nearly 200 people right now, who have read this post, but havent logged in. They wouldnt log in. They wouldnt give their real email address if they sign up. They would never contribute. WHY? Because they are afraid. That they will be deported. For no reason. Everything we do is legal, including raising funds and spending it on lobbying. But they are afraid. They are also afraid that by talking to congressmen, they will make them mad and the congressman will pick up the phone, call USCIS and then get their 140 cancelled. Yes. People create their own fastasies and become afraid of them..
Yesterday, nearly 2000 Irish illegals went to capitol hill and talked to various lawmakers to lobby for CIR and legalization. They were illegals. Yet, the somehow managed to walk into the building where laws of this country are made, talk to people who make the laws that they have broken, go thru Capitol Hill security check, and look into the eye of the lawmaker and talk to them.
However, our community, this is how they behave. Forget about talking to congressman, or contributing money. When they call the core group with a question, they block the caller id can call. Dont disclose their name too. Ask a questions and then quickely hang up. Some of them want to contribute with cash because they are not willing to believe us that we are doing everything legal here and its their right to lobbying and petition the Government for problems.
After paying taxes, after following all immigration laws, after getting all the education in the world to become "Highly skilled", the highly skilled cant bring themselves to stand-up with a straight spine, thump their desk and talk to their lawmaker.
So at the end of the day, if we are depressed that legals dont get attention, then you know where to look for blame : the highly skilled who are highly educated and too afraid because their education and skills make them think too much and analyze too much, and they are afraid all the time.
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dingdong12
11-18 07:15 PM
for me and the wife
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dtekkedil
07-10 02:28 PM
Looks like CNN - India covered the our flower campaign story on TV!
Just got an SMS from India!
Just got an SMS from India!
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amitkhare77
09-08 11:18 AM
EB3 India
EAD Sent 08/01/08
ND : 08/07/08
No LUD's since then.
Card production Ordered email on 09/05/08
EAD Sent 08/01/08
ND : 08/07/08
No LUD's since then.
Card production Ordered email on 09/05/08
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waiting4gc
07-19 08:10 PM
pledge towards reimbursing core team
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abq_gc
08-18 03:00 PM
you manage people with a stick ?? :)
All we are asking is to support some kind of action against the USCIS...
we just need to mobilize ourselves... this is not a fight for EB-2 or EB-3... but for the whole legal immigration system... let's just do something
we are looking at specific situations where the legal immigrant community was affected... and right now its the non sequential processing of the applications for EB-2...
for EB-3 we will need to make similar points which we can raise with Ombudsman or some other authority... we just need to find instances where people were affected... for example delays in EAD.. and that is for EB-2 and EB-3
All we are asking is to support some kind of action against the USCIS...
we just need to mobilize ourselves... this is not a fight for EB-2 or EB-3... but for the whole legal immigration system... let's just do something
we are looking at specific situations where the legal immigrant community was affected... and right now its the non sequential processing of the applications for EB-2...
for EB-3 we will need to make similar points which we can raise with Ombudsman or some other authority... we just need to find instances where people were affected... for example delays in EAD.. and that is for EB-2 and EB-3
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careerGC5050
11-17 03:21 PM
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sidbee
07-28 02:35 PM
The visecral reaction to my thread (not threat!) has only gone to prove my hypothesis - self interest is the ONLY binding factor amongst 'highly skilled' workers
No one can claim to be 'superior' by virtue of their EB classification and take refuge under the current system by preaching that "it is what it is, you accepted it, so play by it!". What a sudden love fest for a system that you cared to fix not too long ago? So, what changed? The sudden realization that there are a few erudite and vocal EB3 I's that can speak their mind and ask the difficult questions?!
Willwin is a rare gem that could see the point in my earlier thread ... Others, my post is not 'ugly', it is the reflection that you see when I hold a mirror up to you. Dont like it? Dont blame me.
Others are scared sh*it that the real deal will be revealed. Just goes to prove that if the current system goes to serve YOUR narrow self interest, you will go to no end to justify it AND defend it... even at the cost of creating deep divides amongst a larger group. Suddenly, your sense of outrage has been channeled against EB3 I's seeking a voice and not against the 'system' that you claimed to care fixing. Nice. A chameleon would be proud to welcome you to the family.
Dont worry. Sleep easy, no one is going to call Ron or a shrink. I have exposed the duplicity that defines your being ... and you can rest easy knowing that your sense of 'logical reasoning and moral outrage' cannot stand scrutiny on a simple b-board, let alone a court of law ...
Lets get together to help fix this problem. Let EB3 I's find their voice and make the appeals that they need to. They DO NOT need the approval or outrage of EB2's trying to protect their new found turf. Get the drift?
Many EB3 I's have waited 5+ years in dead end jobs and possibly single incomes only to see EB2 come hither and walk easy. No jealousy or blame. Just the hard question to those that holler back "dont complaint EB2 was meant to be a higher category" ... want to respond to a "higher calling" ... i.e., holding up your petitions to objective scrutiny not prejudiced by narrow goals?
After all, one would find that MOST work done by EB2 I's does not really require a Masters degree. Just ask a high school Java whizkid.
I rest my case and will not waste my time responding to emotional outbursts or getting dragged into the cesspit of poor logic. Got it?
Peace!
Very Well Said
No one can claim to be 'superior' by virtue of their EB classification and take refuge under the current system by preaching that "it is what it is, you accepted it, so play by it!". What a sudden love fest for a system that you cared to fix not too long ago? So, what changed? The sudden realization that there are a few erudite and vocal EB3 I's that can speak their mind and ask the difficult questions?!
Willwin is a rare gem that could see the point in my earlier thread ... Others, my post is not 'ugly', it is the reflection that you see when I hold a mirror up to you. Dont like it? Dont blame me.
Others are scared sh*it that the real deal will be revealed. Just goes to prove that if the current system goes to serve YOUR narrow self interest, you will go to no end to justify it AND defend it... even at the cost of creating deep divides amongst a larger group. Suddenly, your sense of outrage has been channeled against EB3 I's seeking a voice and not against the 'system' that you claimed to care fixing. Nice. A chameleon would be proud to welcome you to the family.
Dont worry. Sleep easy, no one is going to call Ron or a shrink. I have exposed the duplicity that defines your being ... and you can rest easy knowing that your sense of 'logical reasoning and moral outrage' cannot stand scrutiny on a simple b-board, let alone a court of law ...
Lets get together to help fix this problem. Let EB3 I's find their voice and make the appeals that they need to. They DO NOT need the approval or outrage of EB2's trying to protect their new found turf. Get the drift?
Many EB3 I's have waited 5+ years in dead end jobs and possibly single incomes only to see EB2 come hither and walk easy. No jealousy or blame. Just the hard question to those that holler back "dont complaint EB2 was meant to be a higher category" ... want to respond to a "higher calling" ... i.e., holding up your petitions to objective scrutiny not prejudiced by narrow goals?
After all, one would find that MOST work done by EB2 I's does not really require a Masters degree. Just ask a high school Java whizkid.
I rest my case and will not waste my time responding to emotional outbursts or getting dragged into the cesspit of poor logic. Got it?
Peace!
Very Well Said
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Roger Binny
05-09 09:15 PM
Yup, kshitijnt you are right on target, we need to do some thing constructive and let our voices heard.
BECSufferer made it right heading...channel your anger.
My intention was more to think in right way and discourage potential -ve result bound strategies.
During presidential campaign there were all over promises on clearing backlogs, we can go on that basis and make a point of that.
One thing is clear if they like to stop outsourcing sure they have to encourage and stream line legal immigration they cannot stop or survive but cutting outsourcing as well leaving this legal immigration in limbo.
Besides what we can do at this juncture, keep our voices heard by contacting, writing letters.
1. In a world leading country processing a decade back applications is not an encouraging trend to legal immigration, this may send a wrong signal to legal immigration over illegal immigration.
2. Can highlight ecomonic point based on these math...
Ex: 500,000 EB backlog persons contribution to the country, social taxes = xxx, medicare = xxx, travel=xxx, housing =xxx.
Will add more.....
BECSufferer made it right heading...channel your anger.
My intention was more to think in right way and discourage potential -ve result bound strategies.
During presidential campaign there were all over promises on clearing backlogs, we can go on that basis and make a point of that.
One thing is clear if they like to stop outsourcing sure they have to encourage and stream line legal immigration they cannot stop or survive but cutting outsourcing as well leaving this legal immigration in limbo.
Besides what we can do at this juncture, keep our voices heard by contacting, writing letters.
1. In a world leading country processing a decade back applications is not an encouraging trend to legal immigration, this may send a wrong signal to legal immigration over illegal immigration.
2. Can highlight ecomonic point based on these math...
Ex: 500,000 EB backlog persons contribution to the country, social taxes = xxx, medicare = xxx, travel=xxx, housing =xxx.
Will add more.....
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v2neha
08-26 05:34 PM
Any one waiting near 6/18 ?
RD for my EAD is 6/18 - LUD on 6/25 - Status Pending
RD for my EAD is 6/18 - LUD on 6/25 - Status Pending
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kbsyed61
08-14 08:52 AM
Yesterday I recd. the receipt notice for my I-485 filing on July 2, 2007.
PD - 11/2004, EB2, India
Service Center - Nebraska
Receipt Date - July 2, 2007
Notice Date - August 4, 2007
PD - 11/2004, EB2, India
Service Center - Nebraska
Receipt Date - July 2, 2007
Notice Date - August 4, 2007
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sam2006
07-19 07:55 PM
hi anzerraja
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/sh...ad.php?t=10708
the link doesnt work ..
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/sh...ad.php?t=10708
the link doesnt work ..
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gc28262
06-26 08:44 AM
Law clearly states employer cannot discriminate based on immigration status.
Walking dude has a point. I think we should take this up. We shouldn't be calling the employer and notifying them. We should notify the ad to appropriate authorities.
Walking dude has a point. I think we should take this up. We shouldn't be calling the employer and notifying them. We should notify the ad to appropriate authorities.
bomber
07-20 12:22 PM
There are still many out there who are happily enjoying the fruits of Aman's and other core members' hard work without even knowing what they did for us. For them it's just something that happened on its own. I joined in June and became a contributing member when I came to know the efforts being put in by core. I know for some people shelling out $100 is a big deal, particularly AFTER the victory in this first fight, but guys, think if you were made to wait for 3-4 more years before you were allowed to apply. Your spouses can work now and make more money for your household.
I pledge another $200 for IV once my wife starts working - This is apart from regular contributions that I will make.
I pledge another $200 for IV once my wife starts working - This is apart from regular contributions that I will make.
SGP
11-17 03:39 PM
Done
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